It is shown that these two models are closely related. The 'Tangled Discharge Model' (TDM) necessarily involves a non-vanishing <v*b>, the so-called 'dynamo' effect, while the effective functioning of this term in the 'Dynamo' models is shown to require a stochastic magnetic field structure. There is no inconsistency between this conclusion and the fact that the fully-relaxed state may be described by analytical forms such as the 'Bessel Function Model' which apparently contain good flux surfaces. The TDM is not a satisfactory description of the behaviour of present relaxed-state systems, but might be appropriate in the limit of large Lundquist number S.